>> i think carl bernstein is right. ain his minimum optimism, it is up to the public to change, and i don't know if they have the appetite to change. i think there is a revulsion that i have not seen for 14 years against the tabloids, but the worst excesses of the tabloids have been someone new. no politician can provide a fig leaf of respectability to allow it to continue. no mainstream high level petition can be suffering with the murdochs again. >> the great element is what outcry against bublic rupert murdoch, but still love his products. is newspapers are some of the most successful in this country, but somehow the public somehow feels they do not like people wielding political influence when they do not have the votes. >> when they have not been elected. >> you referred to the relationship between father and son. is this the breakup of the great empire, that the dynasty will not be handed on and quite the way they thought? >> it is hard to know. rupert did not say much, but every word that he said mattered. james